Thematic Colle and Phoenix games

[Rookpawn]

Thematic Colle games on Chessworld. (I posted this at the Chessworld site)

Some interesting Stats on the Thematic Colle games: (Onsite Chessworld)

660 games played (% of success for color / games played)

5.c3(54%/481 games) Nc6(51%/278)
Nd7(36%/135)
Bd6(51%/36)

position[rnbqkb1r/pp3ppp/4pn2/2pp4/3P4/2PBPN2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R]

Main setups: (percent success for white / games)
Nc6/Bd6 - (50%/209)
Nd7/Bd6 - (38%/92)
Nc6/Be7 - (40%/29)
Nd7/Bd6 - (20%/15)

Girke has been championing the following line in the classical Colle:

Girkes line [9.dxc5 Bxc5 10. e4 b6]

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 Nc6 6. Nbd2 Bd6 7. O-O O-O 8. Qe2 Qc7 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10. e4 b6 (79% success for black/53)

position[r1b2rk1/p1q2ppp/1pn1pn2/2bp4/4P3/2PB1N2/PP1NQPPP/R1B2RK1]

A fantastic score for black!
{Also not shabby is 10... h6 (41%/53)}

Whites followup after 10... b6 11.e5 (19%/26)!!! 10... Ng4(80%/25)


This all the better for the following:

Phoenix line in CK [9.b4] - 70% success rate. / 24 Games

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 Nc6 6. Nbd2 Bd6 7. O-O O-O 8.dxc5

Bxc5 9.b4 (70%/24) *



9... Bd6(37%) 10.Bb2(65%) e5(25%/10) 11.e4(75%/12)
Ng4(43%/7) 11.Be2(75%/2) Qc7(25%/2)
b6(100%/1)


9... Be7 Not played.
9... Ba6 25% (for black)

[Rudel]

I guess I should get cracking on the c3-Phoenix book I promised at the end of TMoZ.

[Fromper]

(12-28-2009 12:02 AM)Rudel Wrote:  I guess I should get cracking on the c3-Phoenix book I promised at the end of TMoZ.

Is that going to come before or after the repertoire book for dealing with the Dutch, early g6, and anything else that's not covered in Zuke Em?

--Fromper

[Rudel]

Currently, the plan is "after"

1. Dutch, KID, and modern
2. c3-Phoenix
3. Annotated game collection

And at that point, I'm hopeful I will have done my part to help Colle players.

[Fromper]

Heh. Don't rush on my account. I was mostly kidding.

--Fromper

[girke]

Well I finally got my self registered here RookPawn

Yes indeed the 10...b6 scores well for black in the classical colle. My personally database counts 80 games. I have won 70, drawn 8 and lost 2.

I will indeed look forward to the c3-Phoenix book as I have allready to you in mail Mr. Rudel - when can we expect it out Rudel ?

A little late Happy New Year to all of you.

What is the best black continuation in the phoenix attack in the c3-Colle.
1. d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Nc6 6.Nbd2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.b4! Bd6 10.Bb2 - and now what !?

[Rudel]

I haven't arrived at an answer to that...but it might be more a question of disposition. If I'm right, Black's best theoretical answer may involve some pretty meek play, which won't appeal to everyone.

Thanks for joining the forum!

[girke]

ok. I am playing 8 games at the moment - all black and I have played 10...e5 in all of them. Just to see how that line works !
I can post my games here if someone could benefit from that

You missed answering this question: I will indeed look forward to the c3-Phoenix book as I have allready to you in mail Mr. Rudel Smile - when can we expect it out Rudel ?

[Rudel]

Ha!
Yes, I realized just a few moments ago that I failed to answer your other question, so I came back here to do so. It seems you noticed this as well

I would definitely enjoy seeing your games after ...e5.

The c3-Phoenix Book has been pushed back because a book on meeting ...g6 defenses [and maybe the Dutch?] is going to come first. However, I am currently working on a science book and a Bible study, so even that would get pushed back.

I'm hoping to have something out by the end of the year. We'll see if I make it.

[Tumshie]

(12-28-2009 03:49 AM)Rudel Wrote:  Currently, the plan is "after"

1. Dutch, KID, and modern
2. c3-Phoenix
3. Annotated game collection

And at that point, I'm hopeful I will have done my part to help Colle players.

Please don't feel under any obligation to cover the Modern! Better just to forget all about it... you are feeling sleepy, very very sleepy...

This hypnotism thing is even harder over the internet!!